667 Yun ten, but the appearance is bright
Wang Shunyi and others did not waste time on this. While eating instant noodles, they discussed various things about what they would do after arriving at the Shanghai Aircraft Factory tomorrow... Regardless of how the 701 Institute finally solved this problem.
"In fact, the attitude of the Ministry of Aviation Industry and the State Administration of Civil Aviation is not wrong. Although some people in it hope to take this opportunity to go abroad, once they take on the Y-10 project, this will be a very serious test for us. Not only the financial pressure, but also the pressure on various technical pressures. Not to mention anything else, just a large press of more than 50,000 tons is a hurdle that we cannot overcome. There are technical documents and materials here..." In fact, Wang Shunyi and other management committees hold the same opinions as the State Administration of Aviation and the Ministry of Aviation Industry.
They are engaged in technology and know how difficult it is to continue to let Yunshi fly down to the level of COMAC in the current domestic industrial foundation.
However, it is known how much the aviation industry has played to promote the industrial development level of the entire country, without Liu Yijiu constantly analyzing it for them.
The aircraft industry is the highest industrial integration in a country.
China has no experience in large aircraft, and even aircraft design has no experience.
After all, starting from the technology inherited from the Soviet Union, the Soviets helped China build factories and do production, but did not teach the Chinese how to design. This is the fundamental reason that limits the limited level of China's industrial development in the past few years!
Without the guidance of the Soviets, Chinese scientists themselves explored the aerospace industry and atomic energy industry from scratch. Not only did they develop rapidly, but they also had achievements that were not too different from the world. It was just because the Chinese were doing it independently since the design field.
Similarly, from the 1960s to the 21st century, the only two areas that can be found in the Republic.
In the aviation industry, the Soviets helped China establish production factories, so that they could build fighter jets and bombers when they could not be designed. In this way, personnel in the production field had a much higher position than those in the design technology field. Many senior personnel were promoted from the production field, and designs were all like useless for a long time.
This has caused China's bad habit of focusing on production and neglecting technology.
Liu Yijiu knows Yunshi better than others, because even after the Republic dismounted Yunshi, the large aircraft project was restarted twenty years after the Yunshi dismounted, and more than thirty years after the Yunshi dismounted, the domestic large aircraft was still difficult to manufacture.
Some things require a strong industrial foundation to support them, and they also require strong design capabilities.
During the design process of the YTN project, the Boeing 707 and Trident were widely referred to in China. From the Soviet aviation design standards at the beginning to the British aircraft design standards later, and finally the American design standards were applied. In terms of the design standards alone, different standard systems of the Soviet, British and American countries were integrated. Although there was no problem with the design, there were many problems in materials, manufacturing processes, assembly, etc.
Design capabilities must be compromised towards manufacturing capabilities.
The design team of Yunshi is clear about these. The Ninth Academy also knows this item from the information and technical documents learned.
Even if the Ninth Hospital is fully involved, there are still many problems that will be very difficult to solve!
"We are clear about this. However, what Xiao Liu said is indeed correct. This is not just a question of whether our own large aircraft flew in the sky. Even as the Civil Aviation Administration said, they will not purchase Yun-Ten, and Yun-Ten projects must be carried out! This is really too great for the promotion of the entire country's industrial system. The significance of our Ninth Academy's existence is not to make money, but to the development of the entire national industrial system." Qin Yuan, as the head of the technical project in charge of missile design in the Ninth Academy, actually knows more about this.
Missiles are similar to some related requirements of the aviation industry in many places.
"The aviation industry is an integration of relevant technologies in a country's industrial field. On the other hand, we can also see that the entire field promotes all industrial fields, which is much stronger than our other projects. Therefore, even if we know that billions of funds may be invested, we must ensure that the entire country has such design capabilities and production capabilities. Not to mention, as long as we accept a large press of 50,000 tons, this is the problem that must be solved. In addition, related material technology, mechanical production technology, and even assembly technology of large parts, etc. As long as it is improved, the entire domestic industry will be improved..." Liu Yijiu emphasized this point again.
The country is developing its economy now, and basically no one is optimistic about the prospect of Luck Ten. Another most important reason is that Luck Ten is urgent, but it is because of the "highest instructions".
Unless strategic nuclear submarines, nuclear weapons, intercontinental missiles and other "highest instructions" projects that can have major deterrence capabilities in the field of national defense, they basically stop all allocating funds when the country has no money but has to invest a lot of money in infrastructure and economic construction.
In fact, when the big plane was on the horse again, someone missed the inside story of Yunshi dismounting, which caused a lot of criticism in China.
These are just one-sided.
Only by experiencing this era and understanding the difficulties of the country in this era can we clearly know that any thing is not simple or simple. As long as we have foresight, no one is willing to give up on the development of such an industrial field.
Many times, when Liu Yijiu is forced to have no choice, don’t they say that they give up or delay the progress of the Yun-10 project?
"Okay, don't talk about those problems. What we are facing now is how to solve these difficulties!" Wang Shunyi didn't want to hear Liu Yijiu's emphasis on these big truths in front of them. If it weren't for Liu Yijiu's constant emphasis, they wouldn't have dealt with these problems at all. "There is another question, even if we are willing to pay, will it be easy for the Shanghai Municipal Government, the Ministry of Aviation Industry, and the State Administration of Civil Aviation and the State Administration of Civil Aviation give us this project!"
"Don't worry about this. If it really doesn't work, just ask the military bosses above to solve it. Anyway, they have to come here in the past few days. The funds for Yunshen are basically not much left. Will the remaining three aircraft continue to be assembled after production is completed..." Liu Yijiu was not worried about the people in charge of the leading department of the large aircraft factory interfering.
Currently, Yuntian is facing a fund of 30 million yuan. Once the three frames are assembled, what should we do if we follow-up modifications are done?
"Assembly? How to assemble now? The jt-3d engines used by the four Boeing 707 imported from the United States were originally just used as backup, but now they are installed on the No. 2 aircraft. There is no problem with the first flight. However, if the assembly continues, what should we do next? Continue to introduce it from the United States?" The question is in front of us.
The Yunshen can fly because it uses the Boeing 707 engine!
At the beginning, China considered wearing a domestic engine - Turbosan 8!
Relatively speaking, the Turbo Fan Eight has been in great difficulty. After the introduction of the Beth civil aviation engine from the UK, it launched a copy project, but there has been no progress yet. The entire Turbo Fan Six team was taken over by Liu Yijiu, and it is still still in the 611 Institute to design the Turbo Fan Ten with Director Liu Kaijin Finger providing technical support!
The design work of Turbofan 10 has just been completed, and only two samples have been produced so far. The test run experiments are carried out in the test site in the northwest of the Republic. It will be impossible to complete it in less than two or three years!
"Why import from the United States? Just let them continue to improve the design work while waiting for the engine!" Liu Yijiu shook his head.
The introduction of engines from the United States was the least considered issue for him.
It’s better not to introduce it!
Just like the Iranian Air Force, all weapons and equipment are introduced and dare not let go when used, for fear that there will be problems that will prevent the fighter from taking off again, and there will be no repaired parts at that time.
Especially the competition between the United States and China for a century in the future made Liu Yijiu clearly know that American orders pose too much political risks.
The American president is changed every four years, and even if the longest, he will only be re-elected for two terms.
Different governments have different ideas. Now, Reagan's grandson would not think too much about it in order to destroy the Soviet Union. They are desperately trying to win over and support China, hoping that China's rapid rise will increase the competition with the Soviet Union. All this has given some hope to many short-sighted officials in China.
All cooperation negotiations have not made much progress. When this grandson achieves his goal and cooperates with China, problems will arise.
Once upon a time, in the Peace Model Project, the most famous technical cooperation between the J-82 avionics and radar fire control system was the most typical. The Chinese gave money, but in the end, the Americans made two prototypes, and the radar did not give it to China. When China was under great pressure in domestic funds, they proposed that they were willing to continue to cooperate, but the Chinese still had to increase the money...
No one knows whether the cooperation can be completed after adding money.
Therefore, in the end, China did not continue to increase the increase proposed by Grumman by US$200 million, losing more than US$600 million (there was an error before, with a total value of 55 sets of radar and fire control systems worth US$550 million, instead of 55 million).
In fact, this result was destined from the time when the United States unilaterally terminated the peace model in 1989.
Chapter completed!