The video ended here, and the interrogator suspended the interrogation. Obviously, he also realized that the information he received at present exceeded his authority.

As the screen returned to darkness, Ye Zhou turned to Chen Hao and asked:

"So, do you think his philosophy... makes sense?"

Chen Hao shook his head and replied:

"I don't think he makes sense, but objectively speaking, we have indeed discovered a certain feasibility from his philosophy - reducing non-essential energy consumption, enriching energy in key areas, reducing the overall energy level, and thus winning more time. Isn't it reasonable to do this?"

"The problem is that they are going too far. They oppose all new creative behaviors and the continued development of any productivity -- they feel that all the productivity of human beings is now sufficient to analyze the problem of adjacent dimensions."

Ye Zhou smiled and said:

"Well, I don't want to discuss too much macro issues, but you have to answer me first, how do you plan to convince our billions of people to give up their current living standards?"

"----No, it doesn't need to be so big. How do you plan to convince your daughter not to see the latest debut brother?"

Chen Hao frowned slightly and replied:

"It can be done through coercive means, decrees, policies, etc."

"Do you think it will work? You won't know what the ending of Prohibition is, right?"

“………So you think, this is not feasible?”

"No, this is not impossible, it is pure idealism."

Speaking of this, Ye Zhou picked up the teacup and took a sip of the cold tea, and then said:

"I understand. These people are really not anti-humanists. They are just a bunch of extremists. To put it bluntly, they want to bring the theory of paper talk to reality."

"Do you know that physics has a concept called 'spherical chicken in a vacuum'? These people want to bring the 'vacuum spherical chicken' in sociology to reality. Do you think this is possible?"

"The social picture they built is perfect, self-consistent, and it can even be said to be efficient in the context of doomsday, but the problem is that reality is not vacuum, and chickens are not spherical!"

"Of course, we can also vacuum reality and cultivate chickens into spherical shapes, but will the cost of doing so be lower than that of Tongtianhe project and Fenghuo project?"

"Impossible...Energy is conserved even in the field of sociology. What's more, if we want to realize the social picture they call it, we will still face the risk of a complete collapse of social order. If that happens, there is no need for adjacent dimensions to invade, and we will kill ourselves."

"Besides, what Chen Wu said is simply contradictory. On the one hand, he said that the Renaissance is the foundation of the scientific revolution, and on the other hand, he asked mankind to give up entertainment activities and cultural and artistic enjoyment. What kind of authentic double-standard dog is this?"

After listening to Ye Zhou's explanation, Chen Hao breathed a sigh of relief and then said:

"What you mean is that there is nothing good about their philosophy?"

"Yes, of course there are. To put it bluntly, isn't the so-called pastoral song the ultimate form of planned economy? The core is not the optimization allocation of resources."

"-----Resource optimization configuration, aren't we doing it now? Otherwise, where did the resources of the Tongtianhe project come from?"

Chen Hao nodded slightly and replied:

"Okay... I probably understand that, but to be honest, their theory is still very confusing."

"If you accept one of their views at the beginning, their other views will subtly begin to influence you and eventually make you accept them all - this is the so-called threshold effect, right?"

"That's right."

"If this happens, we have to think of a way to refute their views. We have to seize the high ground of public opinion, otherwise many people will be confused by their trap. Do you have any ideas?"

Hearing Chen Hao's words, Ye Zhou pondered for a moment and said:

"I don't think so. In fact, as long as the truth about their so-called "pastoral song" is exposed in publicity, most ordinary people will spontaneously stand on their opposite side. As for those who believe their theories, it will not be useful no matter how we promote them."

"They often think that they are the elite of society and think that they should naturally enjoy more resources and assume heavier responsibilities. To put it bluntly, there is a so-called aristocratic spirit that has been outdated from the West."

"In their eyes, ordinary people are property in their fiefdoms. They want to save the world, not to save humanity, but to save themselves."

"If there is a reliable opportunity, such as interstellar voyage, they will immediately turn into escapists without hesitation."

"So, for this group of people, what we need to do is not to win over, but to crack down."

"Escapeism and castrationism are one of the most dangerous trends of thought under the neighboring crisis. Fortunately, we discovered it early and launched a crackdown immediately, everything would be still time."

Hearing Ye Zhou's words, Chen Hao's expression was a little solemn.

"You think things have come to this point?"

"Just prepare for the future. Now their influence is limited, but they can all reach into key national projects. If they are allowed to develop, what do you think will happen?"

"I said that these people are originally a group that upholds elitism. Their own social status will not be low. Their discourse power and influence naturally exceed that of other ordinary people, and they have their own shadows in all aspects of the society and economy."

"Now maybe they are still idealists, but when they continue to develop, everything will change when they find that they can use idealism to gain benefits."

“How to say it?”

Chen Hao asked.

Ye Zhou frowned and replied:

"I have a story that may be able to better explain all the problems about the pastoral organization from a relatively small entry point, and why we have to kill it at the beginning of its signs."

"Speak and listen."

Ye Zhou refilled his cup with tea and said:

"Suppose, now we have such a village, which is called Longlong Village."

"Longlong Village has lived for generations of farmers who make a living by farming and animal husbandry. After generations of efforts, their lives have gradually become rich. Various houses have been built, and fresh vegetables and fruits are constantly produced in the land. The grass is full of cattle and sheep that are full of food and drink."

"Every weekend, people in the village will organize dances and dinners, and there are many entertainment activities in normal times. Everyone's life is both rich and pleasant."

"Suddenly one day, the prophet in the village brought a message: In the near future, a giant dragon from a nearby mountain will attack Longlong Village, with the purpose of completely destroying Longlong Village and killing all the villagers."

"This news caused the villagers to panic---You know, the dragon is very scary. With the villagers' skills at that time, they had no way to fight the dragon."

"But these villagers cannot give up on the land they have lived in for generations, because large-scale relocation means death."

"So, these villagers began to make various preparations, such as building city walls, hoarding fuel, increasing grain to prepare for long-term battles, etc."

"Anyway, everyone is trying to do their best to defeat the dragon under limited conditions."

"The villagers also actively offered suggestions, and among them, one strategy quickly gained recognition from many people."

"The proposer of this strategy said that the reason why the dragon attacked the village was actually because the development of the villagers had already posed a threat to its survival. Therefore, what the villagers should do is to hide their own strength, let the dragon relax its vigilance, and then secretly create stronger weapons to hurt the dragon unexpectedly."

"This plan is called the 'pastoral program', and it looks very reasonable, but the question is, how to hide the strength?"

"The first thing to do is to destroy most of the farmland, eliminate most of the livestock, and retain only basic rations that are sufficient for everyone's lives."

“Secondly, dance parties and entertainment activities are not allowed in the village because these activities will consume additional resources.”

"In the end, lighting the lights overnight was prohibited, because too bright lights indicate the prosperity of the village and it is easy to attract the attention of the dragon."

"This policy naturally aroused the dissatisfaction of most people, but the leader always thought that he was right, so when the policy could not be implemented and when the village committee stood up to oppose it, he used various tough measures to implement his strategy."

"For example, setting fires in farmland, attacking and demolishing dance halls, and adding water to lamp oil sold on the market... Such destruction actions have indeed achieved good results, but at the same time, the executors under the leader suddenly discovered that their power was expanding rapidly."

"As mentioned before, they want to secretly create a stronger weapon, and we call it the city crossbow."

"Making weapons requires manpower and resources, and obviously, those involved in the manufacturing of city crossbows will get more resources."

"They have a lot of food, bright lights, and even regular dance parties to help them release the stress... Obviously, any villager wants to join the work, but who can actually join?"

"From the perspective of the Pastoral Project leader, that idealist, he certainly hoped that the person who joined the project would be truly talented, but he ignored the fact that in this village, the contradiction between resources and demand has developed to an irreconcilable level."

"Even the executors of the Pastoral Program cannot obtain enough resources to satisfy their desires, so what will they do?"

"The answer is obvious. They will rent out the rights they have in exchange for resources that are not much."

"Want to join the City Crossbow Project? It's very simple, exchange for bacon. No bacon? OK, it's okay to exchange for your daughter. What? You said you don't want to continue the pastoral program? That's not possible. The privileged class has been formed. How can you destroy it at will?"

"At this point, the village has basically fallen into chaos, and murder and arson are rampant everywhere. The village committee of Longlong Village is no longer able to fight against the Pastoral Organization, because under their destruction, most of the resources of the entire society have been gathered in their hands."

"In the end, the village committee disappeared, and the madhyam organized a new village committee. They celebrated the arrival of the new era and their victory, but everyone forgot that soon, the dragon was about to come."

"What about the city crossbow project? There will be no progress in it, because those responsible for this project are all waste who sell their resources for their jobs."

"What is lying in the laboratory now is just a broken bow that doesn't even have a string."

"So, a few years after the establishment of the village committee by the Madhya Order, the dragon destroyed the village. And the so-called elites who wanted to save the world did not resist--they simply had no ability to resist."

After saying that, Ye Zhou let out a long sigh and continued:

"Now, do you know what the fundamental problem with the Pastoral Organization is?"

"In summary, there is only one sentence: elitism will inevitably lead to the power rent-seeking, and power rent-seeking will inevitably lead to the collapse of order."

"If you want to save the world, you must not rely on the power of one or a group of people alone. You have to let everyone participate."

"To put it bluntly, even if they are useless, even if they are helping hard, they must be involved."

"Because they may not help the real goal, but the action of 'participation' itself is a symbol."

"It symbolizes equality for everyone in the face of disaster, the reasonable allocation of resources, and the community of destiny."

"And this is also the original intention of the Fenghuo project and the Tongtianhe project."

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